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| From owner-pgsql-general@hub.org Fri Oct  9 18:22:09 1998
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| Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:18:00 -0400 (EDT)
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| From: Steve Doliov <statsol@statsol.com>
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| To: pgsql-general@postgreSQL.org
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| Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Making NULLs visible.
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| Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.981009181716.545B-100000@gecko>
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| 
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| On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, Bruce Momjian wrote:
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| 
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| > [Charset iso-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...]
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| > > > Yes, \ always outputs as \\, excepts someone changed it last week, and I
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| > > > am requesting a reversal.  Do you like the \N if it is unique?
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| > > 
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| > > Well, it's certainly clear, but could be confused with \n (newline). Can we
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| > > have \0 instead?
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| > 
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| > Yes, but it is uppercase.  \0 looks like an octal number to me, and I
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| > think we even output octals sometimes, don't we?
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| > 
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| 
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| my first suggestion may have been hare-brained, but why not just make the
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| specifics of the output user-configurable.  So if the user chooses \0, so
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| be it, if the user chooses \N so be it, if the user likes NULL so be it.
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| but the option would only have one value per database at any given point
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| in time.  so database x could use \N on tuesday and NULL on wednesday, but
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| database x could never have two references to the characters(s) used to
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| represent a null value.
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| 
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| steve
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| Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 16:28:41 -0400 (EDT)
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| From: Thomas Good <tomg@admin.nrnet.org>
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| To: pgsql-general@postgreSQL.org
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| Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Making NULLs visible.
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| In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.3.96.981009181716.545B-100000@gecko>
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| 
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| Watching all this go by...as a guy who has to move alot of data
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| from legacy dbs to postgres, I've gotten used to \N being a null.
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| 
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| My vote, if I were allowed to cast one, would be to have one null 
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| and that would be the COPY command null.  I have no difficulty
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| distinguishing a null from a newline...
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| 
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| At the pgsql command prompt I would find seeing \N rather reassuring.
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| I've seen alot of these little guys.
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| 
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